Alliance Petition to the Irish Government and Catholic Church

We the undersigned believe that any extra money from the Religious Orders should be used solely to benefit former residents of all of the Institutions for medical, dental and other welfare purposes.

Niamh Purcell,

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the goverment are still doing what the church tell them what to do to hell with da vitims they only think off them selfs am a suviover dont no 4 how long never got answers from the address board only more abuse

Denise Gallanagh-Wood,

Marian Doherty,
Everyone should to turn their backs on the church. We need to boycott the church or something like thatand don't give the church any money. The Pope did nothing to help the victims. Its a disgrace. Im so angry about this and Im not a victim.

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I suffered from the daily beatings in the classrooms 1959-1965 but my thoughts are with those who were incarcerated before my time when life was even more unbearable and how they must have suffered from these religious orders (TYRANTS)?

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I too am against any doctrine of absolutism. There are never questions about the right of absolute authority. The alternative non-believer world of uncertainty, can seem scary, but at least it does'nt put our humanity in a straight-jacket of religious or political conformity (a) Ireland (b) The Old Soviet Union(they were brainwashed we heard, only THEM??

brian condron,
As a former victim of sexual child abuse at a CBS school and 'having taken the "Hobson's Choice"award pittance at the Redress[which practice has to be unconstitutional]I say it's time to take to the streets and have the "splintered" survivor groups unite under one Banner and speak with One voice and organize a "giant"demonstration that will once and for all get the attention of the Government and give us a fairer compensation for our ruined lives ASAP

ken,
Even the families of survivors are suffering.... i am a son of a former survivor and i know my life was and still is effected by what happened to my father... I would even say that all families of survivors are suffering in some way... we need help too.

Ken

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survivors should not have to beg for medical or dental health. If this government was really in empathy with what survivors suffered, it should have long since offered the basic birth right needs that this petition is requesting. Indeed survivors money from religious should not have to go towards these basic essential needs. It is the duty of this government to make extra efforts to care for survivors, whose illness today are a direct result of neglect when children in these state institutions.

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Linda Mc Loughlin,
Name shame and prosecute the abuser,then maybe the vicitims of the abuser may feel that they have been vindicated. Why are these so called people of the church,above the law. Or were the powers that be need also be called to question?

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KEVIN GIBSON,

Charlotte,

michael daly,
I am not sure if I am in the right place or not but as a victim of child abuse while in residential institution I believe that everyone that was in a residential institution should be contacted and find out about there living circumstances and the churches should make sure that these are be given proper health care and houseing for the rest of there lives. beacause the churches owe them and much more. I know beacuse I was one of them. I lost my brother in an orphanage and I do not know where he is buried and may never know ,probally dumped in a hole somewhere
what happened to us was shocking beyond believe
we were innocent victims of blind justis and our crime was being born we lost so much and the churches should be made to pay for what they done to us
Yours Faithfully
Michael Daly

aisling kelly,

Jean Wilson,

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Pauline Barclay,
I would like to support this also. My heart goes out to all who lived this atrosity.

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including counselling for those in need of it! so happy I am not Catholic - I would die of shame!

Michelle Caplin,

Claire Molloy,

philip savage,
I am against any doctrine of absolutism. It it a breeding ground for people who agree never to question there own authority. The alterneative Godless world of uncertainty, can seem scary, but at least it dos'nt put our humanity in a straight- jacket of religious or political conformity.

Tracey Holloway,
God bless you all. You are all in my thoughts xx

marie,

Ciaran Brady,
Support of Nazi's, Fascists and paedophile clergy, and thats just in the last 100 years! When will people realise its a crock of B.S. How many times must you be made a fool of and answer with silly statements like 'its a test of faith'?

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This is the least that the Religious Orders and Govt can do.

barry cliford,
Please see my comment on paddy doyle.com website on david quinns review on the ryan report and feel free to reprint it.

kathleen maughan,
god bless people who are prepared to listen this can not be buried any more.

Fred Rountree,
Every effort should be made to insure that the circumstances of all abused individuals within state care should now be addressed.

G Schwantz,
The pain & suffering caused by these disgusting & depraved organisations is apalling! These poor children, have been sexually molested, tortured and beaten, by depraved paedophiles. Shame on these institutions, and the Catholic church who run them.

Christopher Yacomine,

Willhelm,
A disgusting organisation which should be investigated in every country. Save the kids, not Paedophile Priests.

James Cooper,
Had any other "corporation's" employees (for instance McDonalds or Coca-Cola) been found guilty of such heinous crimes (and their cover up) on such an endemic scale, the authorities would have moved to close them down. The Roman Catholic Church is without doubt the most shameful organisation on the planet, and the cover-ups were led by Ratzinger himself. This man should not be feted, he should be imprisoned.

David Orr,
They are beasts

alex riddell,
god help the kids

Graeme Murdoch,

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Too many people have been abused by the RC representatives. Time to pay up and help those that really suffered. Not helping those hide who perpetrated attrocious crimes against vulnerable children.

thomas mathers V.B,
Bloody digrace that this has went on for so long.
The pope and the cardinals should be prosecuted immediately for withholding information if they do not hand over all names of child abusers and paedophiles within the church. V.B

thomas mathers,

john connolly,
I want the church to pay for what they did to us and for the pennies paid by the redress board the goverment should be ashamed of themselves!!!

Hannah A, Belfast,
The people who allowed this to happen should be held accountable. Ignorance is not an excuse.

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To the victims and especially those who did not live to see this day.

john cullen,
Bishop Treanor of Down and Connor diocese addressed a
a conference regarding the Lisbon Treaty, and suggested that a Catholic can vote 'Yes'. In other words if you are a Catholic he is giving you permission to vote 'yes' I replied to his address on the Kandle website that before I would listen to him he would want to publicly insist
that the religious orders in Ireland and the
and the section of the church whom he repesents
should bankrupt themselves and pay out all of this
fund to those innocents who have been abused.
My remarks lasted four to five days on that website and were then taken down. So much for morality and ethics. These guys in total are hyprocites, have not changed and will not change. They preach to you about these qualities, morality and ethics, but ignore them, themselves. The term 'omerta' is used by the Mafia, it means silence. The identical behaviour is mirrored by the Catholic Church. The Mafia is a criminal organisation. What conclusion do you draw ?
The Cori website has a statement from Marianne O'Connor. Again the day I believe her in what she writes will be the day all Cori funds are handed over to those who were persecuted by those religious orders which Cori represent. Dom Mintoff, the Maltese prime minister requested the Irish Sisters of Mercy to treat all Maltese in their
hospital and not only the rich. The Mercy Sisters refused this plea. Dom Mintoff requested them to leave the island and they did leave. Obviously they were only there to nurse the rich for money.
The heading on this page is...Alliance Petition to the Irish Government and Catholic Church. This heading should of course be ...Alliance Demand to the Irish Government and the Catholic Church.
To all those who have suffered at the hands of these dogs, I say keep on reminding them of their past, their cruelty, their calousness, their wanton thuggery, their vileness.

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make sure that before it is to late that some small justice can be done

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I think these orders now have a chance to display their christian side, lets hope they dont waste the oppertunity to do so.

denis bowes,

Bronagh Burns,
Please bring the cause north.

peg,
I am signing this on behalf of all those who did not survive in England. The silent majority.
I applaud those who have spoken out - such courage
The day I left one of 'those institutions' was the day I left the catholic church. There is a God somewhere, lets hope he is looking out for the victims.

Kevin Higgins,
The new Blasphemy Law is in very bad taste.

Wendy Bowes,

John Coyne,
I was in Glin and what the night watchman said is the thruth ,hot water no sir never .

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we have the redress then the ryan report ok now people are going to know the real truth about these so called schools.
the government now are talking about a memorial for the ( past ) is'ent that nice. a shame no one will know who those poor people were nor will many even care. and a ( bloody ) museum to rub it in too so others could what? feel our pain?
they will never feel it unless they were there. the only people it will feel it is the very people and family and friends who wear the scars from those places and to top it all to be reminded of such as well.
it always takes an outsider to decide such painful ideas thinking they are doing us a favor.
this is the answer of the government and religious orders.
have they not got it yet while they are trying to please themselves and cut costs again. the labour party said there is nothing they can do to take away the pain and suffering as so did the other parties, as they tried to show their crocodile tears.
of course there is nothing they can do because it would cost them even more to even try.
we are told to keep quiet about the redress money, well now the ryan report is out what does it really mean for us to be quiet about our redress ?. oh but we have to tell the social welfare why? why the social welfare and not anyone else, they are supposed to ignore it.
they take the redress into consideration and then see it as you have sufficient savings, and make their decisions accordingly, how are you going to prove other wise. how do i know? it already has happened to a survivor i know.
lets see where they could have at least done some good if only their hearts were true and brave.
they could have set up ideas to help survivors and their families in their present struggling lives after all they claimed there is nothing they can do to take away our pain. but at least they could try if their words are genuine and heart-full.
there are only so many survivors left and the day will come when we are gone too as age is moving on so i recommend some changes below if there is truth in the church and government after all it is the duty of both to look after their people.

what do survivors need to help them in their every day lives. has not yet been done never mind words or anything else and do what is right.
recommendation;

the living alone allowances should be given to all survivors to help support them call the allowance what you will but all survivors should be entitled to this wether alone or not as this comfort was taken from them in the first place. they live alone in hurt everyday of their lives, and the struggling survivor is reminded every day wondering if only they had a childhood what would they have been today instead of struggling to survive still.

making sure they are not homeless.
making survivors exempt from higher payments in housing rents
making sure they are clothed
making sure they are not hungry
making sure and very clear their rights as survivors so they understand them.
making sure they are getting their rights in welfare.
making sure forms are much easier for survivors to fill in
making sure there is a head office they can turn to if non or more of the recommendations are being ignored by so called government offices.
making sure the less tax for the survivor who are on low wages as they were forced to work without pay at a tender age.
making sure some kind of pension is available, and early retirement be available if in need, as survivors were forced to work from a very tender age.

so before you start patting yourselves on the back for doing nothing so far, do what is recommended here and then we may feel some comfort in your words surely you owe survivors this little sum at least as i said there are only a limited time for this left as we are much older and are fading out over time.

mark swiss,
For a 1000 years this cult killed and tortured its way to power. Using its control of schools it poured the poison of it’s beliefs into the minds of children. Having passed through this system of indoctrination and having gained positions of power Irish politicians, grown men, wilt from their duties in the presence of clergy and become impotent to act. This cult has strong voodoo in Ireland
For a government to grant this cult free movement and access to children to practice its voodoo is a disgrace. This report says nothing about the mind crippling lies poured into the ear of every Irish citizen over the last thousand years. Until Ireland realizes fully that this cult is a damaging force, Ireland will not be free to shun them. The Catholic Church should be simply left to one side as any other object or belief whose time has passed. They are from the time of the wooden plow.
I would like to point out here historically this institution has had access to free labor, even if it was child labor. You would think it would develop a better use of them than washing laundry and floors and being sex slaves. This Cult is made up of unimaginative self-indulgent pricks getting paid to feed and house thousands of children and young adults. They did not develop industry, did not train people in business or engineering or science or mathematics. “Never mind the misery in this life the reward will be in the next”. If you think I am being too harsh it means you do not know the history of the Catholic Church. I am happy you do not know it. It is a bad history. Historical abuse in the Catholic Church has always been brutal and without regard to human suffering in this world. I could go on but if you care you can look it up.

What can the Catholic Church Cult now do for Ireland?
Pack one bag and leave, GET OUT.
Leave your money, GET OUT.
Leave your property, GET OUT.
Keep the apologies to yourselves just GET OUT OF IRELAND.
You have nothing to offer the Irish People except a quiet exit. GET OUT OF IRELAND Do not wait around. GET OUT OF IRELAND
Do not make us watch your institution rot.

karen ward,

derek linster,
great to see catholics people geting juster maybe one day non catholics will one day Derek Linster

derek linster,
Goog look to all &god blessed derek linster

PK Murphy,

pamela coyne,
I sign this petition on behalf of my mother 82 yrs old abused by the Sisters of Mercy at Summerhill; my 2 uncles abused at Artane; my cousin whose life was ruined. May they be consoled.

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Phyllis Kavanagh,
my Dad was in Artane as a child but we never knew untill after he died ,all survivors need our support ,i hope they find peace

Jack Hickey,
St Vincents Orphanage 1944-1953

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To the victims and survivors of this terrible abuse,

may you continue to bring those monsters that committed the crimes into the light of day where they will be shamed and metaphorically spat on by the Irish people. The truth will be rewarded.

May you find peace in your own courage and know that you have the support behind you.

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I am moved by the bravery of all abuse victims. My heart breaks when I think of what happened to all those children involved. The church can easily give more money and help improve the victims lives in some small way

karen conlon,
these people can not afford these things and why? the church ruined their life they have to stand up and try make things right because they will never be right i have lost my faith within the church to see what my mother is going through becaue of what they did to her it makes me ashamed to say i am irish hang on in there everyone keep fighting xxx

ger hurley,

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The money should go to the victims, Its not fair..Where is the justice..The criminals cant be named or punished. Why did the children get punished...Fair is Fair No one should have gone through anything as horrifivc as this...It would make u cry to even think of Your children and nieces and nephews now..WHAT IF!! You'd do jail...They should suffer the consequences for stealing the childrens childhood and exposiong them and inflicting such voilence on them..They should suffer and all the money should go to the victims and at that..It still wouldnt be justice...
My heart goes out to everyone who was a victim x x x xstay strong!!

glyn hayes,

John J Hogan,

Lisa Murphy,
The Catholic church in this country has been protected for far too long. It's time they pay for what they willingly inflicted on the children of this country. I stood with the survivors outside Leinster House and I will stand with them again. The church may not be listening hard enough to the charges laid at their door but the people are. Do not believe you are alone in this. I am proud of the survivors for their brave battle. Do not give up. x

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These people who committed these horrific crimes should pay not only in this life, but in the next.

Marie,
I'm horrified about what children have gone through in Industrial schools in Ireland. I don't think our society is reacting fully to the horror of what happened. I feel so angry about the profound disrespect and abuse that was shown to those children and I don't think the church has in any sense come close to fully acknowledging and making amends. What the Church now stands for is meaningless. I believe this group (Alliance) stands for incredibly brave people and I want to support you.

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These animals profited from their crimes, their superiors knew what was going on. The CAB should sieze all the assets and use the money to ease the suffering of the people they tortured.

timothy john garde,
im a survivor

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As one who was a victim of physical assault by a lay teacher in a nation/primary school in the mid to late 1950's, I sympathise with empathise with those who suffered far more than I ever did. However, I wasn't the only victims of this male headmaster who was the intructer in " Christian " Doctrine. Both he and the local parish priest are now deceased and I have long ago forgiven them. But the Religious Orders must pay compensation to all these victims - and not just a pittance. Even if it means they go broke in doing so. Likewise the state which connived in the protection of the perpetrators, the cover up of the crimes and in the failure to name and shame the so-called good men and women who stayed silent and took no action to end the reign of terror conducted by these evil persons.

adrian okeeffe,
i gladly sign this petition

enough of this 'animal farm' behaviour - all their money should be siezed - and any person guilty of such evil acts be jailed -

no justice


i wrote this to voice my anger -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVqQeV5w3dw&feature=channel_page

Sharon Allen,

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Annette Harri,

brid casey,

Margaret mcguckin,
I say, all their excessive properties, art collections etc, and churchs that nobody attends,should be sold forthwith and monies given to help ease the pain of the abused and their families. should be sold

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My prays and thoughts are with all people who suffered at the hands of these terrible people. May you find some peace in life

Anne Flaherty,
My family gave donations to a number of these organisations over the years - I am now writing to them for refunds as they got this money under false pretences. They did NOT care for the children for whom they wre supposed to be " In Loco Parentis".

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Immediate disposal of entire assets of all 18 religious involved. A 'Simon Wiesenthal' style hunt to corall all offenders - lay and religious -and detain them until they are dealt with by the law.

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There should be a total separation fo Church and State as in France and all assets of the orders handed over and what is needed for them can be leased back. There is no need for them to have all these properties. And all the files they hold should be handed over and all the religious identified and while to account no matter whether they are dead or alive just like a Nazi should be hunted down.

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Deirdre Mullins,

Bernadette Cadden,

Kathleen Murphy,
I wish they would change the date of death of victims, There are lots of people whos husbands or wifes suffered at these brutes hands and up to this date 7 june 09, cant claim. THEY MUST PAY US TOO.

Anne marie mottram,
My mother is homeless and completely broken.she is also trying to look after my brother with brain damage.we need help.please god there is justice for everyone.

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Am confident that we can continue to successfully represent all those who look to us for support in the future.

Deirdre O\' Donoghue,

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The religious orders should be made to pay more, and all of the money should go directly to the victims.

Jenny Greene,
I agree with the sentiments expressed in this petition.

Michael Heraghty,
I wish to add my heartfelt support.